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suit scoot Inspector
Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 451 Location: Costa del Redcar.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: mystery speed loss. |
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i've lost 10mph off my top speed. WTF??
i've cleaned the filter, changed the plug, oil, checked the belt (not the rollers yet so??).
i'm hitting the limiter with a 130 tyre at 80mph (indicated) which is really really odd.
its anoyying because i'm having to ride it flat out to keep up
so, apart from the rollers, what else could be the problem?
im mystified by it _________________ revolution deathsquad! |
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THE STIG Inspector
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 118 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Maybe the speedo is shagged mate?
Having said that I did notice you struggling to keep up with me last week on my `standard `bike despite you being 5 stone lighter! _________________ The Stig rides an Auto so is always in TOP GEAR! |
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suit scoot Inspector
Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 451 Location: Costa del Redcar.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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i've got the edge at the lights though _________________ revolution deathsquad! |
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THE STIG Inspector
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 118 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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look what .5 of a second has cost you though _________________ The Stig rides an Auto so is always in TOP GEAR! |
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suit scoot Inspector
Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 451 Location: Costa del Redcar.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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THE STIG wrote: | look what .5 of a second has cost you though |
i think my belt has stretched
its revving like foook all the time as well. _________________ revolution deathsquad! |
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Innocenti Big Cheese
Joined: 14 May 2007 Posts: 1205 Location: Surrey Village
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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belt stretch and roller wear sounds like _________________ GTS OWNERS CLUB
LONDON LAMBRETTA CLUB
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ITS ONLY A SCOOTER !!!!! |
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CheekyThomas Guvernor
Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 1374
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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It wont be belt stretch... as you dont get hardly any, the kevlar reinforcment stops 99% of that... Its reduction in belt width that causes the speed loss, as it makes the belt sit lower on the pulleys. |
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dougl65 Sargeant
Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 82 Location: Wanstead, London
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have an idea what may be wrong Ross! When you installed the Polini variator (did YOU install it?) did you leave out the shim/ washer between the variator pulley and the outer driving pulley? I did initially because that's what the destructions say. The instructions are wrong and if followed will accelerate belt wear. If so, replace the shim, get a new STANDARD belt which are now much cheaper and replace it too. Might solve your problem. The effect of leaving out the shim was VERY noticable on mine. It increased engine breaking dramatically. If you throttled off at about 50 or 60 there was a definite breaking effect accompanied by a slight whine which was not normal. See this thread:
http://gtsownersclub.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=379&highlight= |
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smirnoff Site Admin
Joined: 14 May 2007 Posts: 1125 Location: On the bouncy castle in my head.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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my money is on flat rollers _________________
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suit scoot Inspector
Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 451 Location: Costa del Redcar.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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dougl65 wrote: | I have an idea what may be wrong Ross! When you installed the Polini variator (did YOU install it?) did you leave out the shim/ washer between the variator pulley and the outer driving pulley? I did initially because that's what the destructions say. The instructions are wrong and if followed will accelerate belt wear. If so, replace the shim, get a new STANDARD belt which are now much cheaper and replace it too. Might solve your problem. The effect of leaving out the shim was VERY noticable on mine. It increased engine breaking dramatically. If you throttled off at about 50 or 60 there was a definite breaking effect accompanied by a slight whine which was not normal. See this thread:
http://gtsownersclub.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=379&highlight= |
i tried it with the shim in first, it didnt grip the belt at all. so i left the shim out as it said, then when i took it out the first time it showed over 90 on the clock with a fat tyre. 88 with a standard 130 (about a month ago).
now its down to 82mph and the limiter is kicking in.
its gotta be the rollers. i aint got the tools anymore becuase i lost my job at the garage.
looks like im gonna have to take it to my dealer just for him to change the rollers.
£27.50 (half an hour's labour) just to change the piggin rollers _________________ revolution deathsquad! |
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AIRMECH Inspector
Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 260
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Check your valve clearences,wot f--kin` shop you usin` at 55 quid an hour,shame you aint nearer, my shop is only 30p.h. |
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suit scoot Inspector
Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 451 Location: Costa del Redcar.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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came back from the knaresbrough thingybob today and the bloody thing ground almost to a halt.
i slowed down for a corner using the engine braking and it was as if someone was pulling pulling the back brake on and off in a wierd way.
checked the ht lead cap and then when i got home i checked the battery leads and theyre alright.
i must have a really really flat roller or 6....
i checked the belt and its in good condition, i just can't get the variator nut off cos its been welded on with a f**kin windy gun _________________ revolution deathsquad! |
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suit scoot Inspector
Joined: 17 May 2007 Posts: 451 Location: Costa del Redcar.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: |
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so, the plot thickens, rode up to my mates house today.
all duell carriageway, a174.
flat out 89mph.... normal with a 130 tyre at the rear.
on the way home, it'd do 80 with a slight tailwind
but, when i pulled out to overtake a car doing about 65 and ran it wide open, it pulled like crazy up to the limiter (80). quicker than when its running well!
its got a mind of its own.
anyway, should be solved when i get my heavy rollers in and my new standard piaggio belt jobby.
now i have to get my old half pulley and fashion a tool out of it to save me 30 squids labour.
i'll post pics, the verdict and hopefully it should solve the problem, touch wood.
i may even post some nice ones of my new bitubo that should arrive soon, if that piggin courier EVER deliver's it.... along with my new exhaust springs...
i'll go scroundge a new brass nut off white's because its been welded on, its gonna take some force with a torque wrench to loosen that thing
as long as i don't jack the threads on the end of the crank then it should be fine. (this is why i might take it in, if he jacks it, then its not my fault )
And there is a tiny bit of rust on the end of it where i think some water has came in through the air scoop _________________ revolution deathsquad! |
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